from reporters with sources named or unnamed. you had senator bob corker talking on the record to the new york times saying, i know that every day in the white house, that people -- it's a battle for people who try to control the president? >> that's exactly right. and as we know in other reporting, a lot of the sources are high level people in the white house, including president trump himself, and people who are senior advisers, so the notion that this is coming from absurd sources, doesn't pass muster, they clearly have a problem with this ongoing game of thrones style mode of governing, i think general kelly clearly has at least from the outside, taken some steps to improve information flow, not only can he not control president trump, he can't control a lot of the characters and personalities that are still in the white house. even after the departure of people like steve bannon. >> anderson, one thing, they've always had trouble with leaks throughout the campaign and the