that it's unethical. if you're being honest about it, this is somebody who's trying to coerce people into testifying in a certain aware. it's obvious what he's doing. this is not a man who likes to open up his wallet. >> let him respond. >> my point is i'm not a lawyer. you might be right that this is legally unethical and he's not able to do it. my point was it's a very loyal thing to do is-to-stand up for the people who stood up for you. >> loyalty is not something this president -- >> you can't it both ways. you can't say he's not loyal. >> giving help me legal advice when it's an investigation into the president, the president's lawyers are not going to have the staffers' best interest in mind. it's probably the worst thing that these aides could do. >> and the president doesn't go out and justify my actions for me on television i'm going to