there are consequences in naming who the person is. what we have to do is change the culture. >> that's interesting. i haven't heard that -- people are acting like everything is changing now. debbie dingle, congresswoman dingle suspicious of that, skeptical. >> and i think she's right to be skeptical. i mean, if you see what has happened with the women who have come out, even with the roy moore situation, they have been threatened, they have been criticized, they have been targeted, they have not been believed. it was a watershed moment i think for mitch mcconnell to come out and say that he did believe the women. that simple phrase "i believe the women" is something we haven't heard. we didn't hear it with bill clinton, those accusers. you see a bit of a reckoning among democrats having to deal with what happened to those women, monica lewinsky, juanita broaddrick who weren't believed and very much dismissed as being nutty and a little bit slutty.