characterization and anger. and i think what i observed, i didn't have any contact with him other than two telephone conversations during the transition period. but i do think he changed and i think mike was always kind of an envelope pusher, kind of pushed the rules to get the job done. certain amount of that is okay. but i think being propelled into the head di reaches of working for the president-elect and the president, serving as national security adviser and all that, i think may have given him license or felt he had license to push the envelope and he certainly did. >> and i want to ask you about don jr. as well today. donald trump jr. testifying. eight hours of testimony. i don't know if you heard jackie speier, she was just on saying he said i don't recall. i don't remember. she said he had a case of