$400 for, say, a word processing package that really was costing them about 50 cents to print on floppies. >> hard working, modest, easy going, it would seem to a fault. of course, he does have at least one secret. but we'll fix that. is it true that you can leap over a chair from a standing position? >> it depends on the size of the chair but this chair, probably so. >> yes! >> i took a step before i did it. >> that's okay. >> bill gates wasn't just one thing. he was a brilliant guy. had great parents. family values. but he was a killer. he basically was a ruthless guy, and so was microsoft. >> no, no, no, no, no. somebody's confused. somebody's just not thinking. > there's no way. >> we'll figure it out. >> you guys never understood. you never understood the first thing about this. >> a lot of people make the analogy that competing with bill gates is like playing hard ball.