deal with immigration and, you know, create policy from the beginning when it was total chaos with the travel ban to now and seeing how they deal with refugees and so forth. >> yeah, that's right, pam. you remember the early months of the administration, especially when the travel ban came in in the early weeks, it was chaotic. there were people at the airports who didn't know if they would be able to get in the country or get on planes outside of the united states. there were border officials not very clear about what the rules, you know, were and when they were coming to force and what they meant. it has got a lot more sort of methodical. one of the reasons that you have john kelly now who is the chief of staff at the homeland security agency department who was clearly a key player in the administration's immigration policy. so i think many of donald trump's supporters would say that they are actually quite happy with the way that that's evolved. variations have gotten through the courts and it's clear from