about him, do you think that's accurate? >> i don't know. i think he is convinced that -- michael wolff is convinced that's the case. so i think a lot of the book i think is where he's drawn inferences from what he was able to observe, vignettes that he watched, and he's drawn this conclusion that everybody around him feels that way. well, now we're hearing that maybe not so much. but even so as i say, even if the book is only half right, it's still disturbing. and just the fact that the discussion of this is consuming the airways, the media is in itself disturbing. >> what are you hearing, director, from your sources in other countries about wolff's book and what has transpired this first week of the new year? >> i've spoken with responsible representatives of two countries that are very close allies,