>> i want to play something, here's how martin luther king jr.'s nephew who was at the white house last week and met with the president responded to the question of whether or not he felt that the president was a racist. then we'll talk about it after we listen. >> i don't think that president trump is a racist in the traditional sense as we know in this country. i think president trump is racially ignorant or racially uninformed. >> would you agree with that kind of explanation? >> i know isaac personally. he's been a representative for the king family for a long time and is a good man, but i think he's just way off base here. i mean, there's no way that you can go on national television and not say that the comments that this preseident made were not only racist but awful. let's just say maybe president trump meant something different and didn't use the words that senator durbin confirmed that he said. the problem is that the american people cannot believe him