plus, alisyn, i'm not if he brought the democrats and the republicans over. i'm not sure he could change minds on this. remember, there are those 10 democrats who are in states that donald trump won. and yet none of them -- one of them, joe manchin, but the rest of the nine don't feel compelled to waffle on this. there are just nos on this. when the senate reconvenes they will vote down the house proposal or won't be able to close debate, which means the same thing, and then we will sort of good from there at noon or 1:00 with 10, 11 hours left before the government will shut down. >> four things that seem true, david gregory. one, i'm noticing camerota looks younger than when we started and i look older than my father. cillizza is overplaying the glasses matching t tie.