this. >> matthew, another question for you, trump interviewed mueller as a possible interim fbi director after he fired comey. does it make sense to you that was what the president cited as a potential conflict of interest to see him as feet to potentially shepherd the fbi but flawed to head the russia investigation? >> i mean, no. to me it doesn't make sense. if you're looking for reasons to ju justify things, i think people can come up with reasons to justify whatever they want to do. that sounds like one of them. it doesn't sound like a great answer. with some dispute at his golf club over fees. these seem pretty thin. >> you know, chris, we're just learning about this now, but trump considered firing mueller back in the summer, back in june. and earlier you heard repeated denials from the administration. this is how -- this is -- lindsey graham, he addressed the rumor back then. watch this. >> any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the trump