there was original sin in how they began it. that is what the attack on the fbi and the justice department is about. but you do have to wonder why the president is acting this way. what does he have to hide that he would fire jim comey and wants to undermine rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, that he was mad at the attorney general for not protecting him more. these things start to add up. and the behavior certainly in the mind of investigators and the special counsel has to have them thinking in addition to what they're actually finding through investigation that something is amiss here. >> look, i think you bring up the key point here, it's fascinating to me that the white house thinks they have soften the ground enough that they can survive politically the president refusing to testify or at least fighting over it. it shows they think they're winning to an extent this political battle at least with the people they need to. the other political debate of the week, the democratic memo in response to this nunes memo alleging fbi abuses in the early