this is a pretty technical area, there is a field known as cryptography. i don't claim to be an expert on it. but i think there is a clear consensus among experts in the field against your position to weaken strong encryption. i have asked you for a list of the experts that you have consulted. i haven't been able to get it, can you give me a date this afternoon when you give me -- this morning, a sense of when we will be told who are these people, who are advising you, to pursue this route because i don't know of anybody respected in the field who is advising that it is a good idea to adopt your position to weaken strong encryption. can i get that list? >> we would be happy to talk more about this topic this afternoon. my position is not that we should weaken encryption. my position is that we should be working together, government and the private sector, to try to find a solution that balances