war for some time. i think this indictment clearly shows that this informational warfare was an attack that constitutes an act of war, and we need to meet it effectively. >> it's also just interesting how limited, in fact, this indictment was, as stunning as it was, to use your term and shocking to some people. it was nothing about the dnc hacks, about the hacks of john podesta's e-mails or any coordination in how that information was released. >> that's a very good point, and it ought to be a sobering moment for the trump sycophants and surrogates in the congress who have been attacking the special counsel, trying to discredit the fbi and the mueller team because clearly he is proceeding in a very methodical and systematic way to build a series of cases in stages as the best prosecutors do given complex facts and law.