>> you want to see chaos in the administration? go to the veterans affairs where the secretary is traveling around with his wife on the taxpayer dime and he's saying his e-mail was hacked and trump appointees are trying to run him out of office. that's chaos. there needs to be change at veteran affairs, but this whole idea of chaos in the white house, it's different. >> can i come in? with that being the baseline where there's also chaos at hud because carson doesn't know if he wants a $31,000 china set or a $10,000 china set, there's also chaos at the epa because he hasn't seen a china set he doesn't like. we have people in government working for all of us. the question is, what is this relative to? this is how donald trump operates. this is how he operated his business, this is how he operated at "the apprentice," he's operating the white house like this. this may not be comparable to any other white house we've seen be but this is who donald trump is. he's the same person throughout