question. and it's worth remembering that mueller, the special counsel, is now investigating the trump tower and moscow episode and how it fits into this broader pattern in trying to put the dots together. so michael cohen has suddenly become a very, very important player. and i think one other thing we know for certain, in a sea of uncertainties, is that a guy like michael cohen, who is your fixer, does not do anything, especially for donald trump, that trump doesn't want done or that trump doesn't ask him to do. so michael cohen is operating, when he dealt with the women, he was operating, you just have to assume that donald trump knew exactly what he was doing and the notion that donald trump was somehow separated from a $130,000 payment, for example, on its face is a very, very hard thing to believe. >> you think that the president -- well, he wasn't president then -- knew what michael cohen was doing? >> i think he knew everything that michael cohen was doing. and i think michael cohen kept