the watergate scandal is it w e surreal to you what's going on at the white house? >> it's very clear that the president of the united states is presiding over a massive cover up. its unclear exactly what he's covering up, but one of it differences between watergate and this is that people in the nixon white house largely believed up until the end that the president was not, in fact, covering up a great conspiracy. whereas many, many people in the trump white house and many who have left the trump white house it is now apparent to them that the presiding over a cover up and a massive attempt to keep the truth from coming out about whatever has transpired. >> well, carl, let me ask you, you say that but i haven't seen anyone really say that publicly. people are going to say what is your evidence?