rudy giuliani started a few weeks ago now at this point. wasn't just this week. he started going on tv, which may be the only thing the president cares about. but it is also a major, major issue here. caroline, while we're waiting to hear from the president directly on this, i do think it is significant to hear these words, it is possible, again, he's undercutting yet a new attorney here. let's talk about the campaign finance issue. jeffrey toobin said yesterday, when he heard rudy giuliani say what would happen had knowledge of the payments come out in october? imagine what would happen a month before the campaign? rudy giuliani is trying to walk that back now. he has said to nsa nbc news overnight, if there was no campaign -- does that put the genie/confession back in the bottle? >> no, it does not. statements by rudy giuliani, while of course are probative in a prosecutor's case, they're not the statements of a president trump. he may be woefully misinformed.