>> we still actually don't know what the story is, we don't know which of giuliani's statements and the white house statements stand as the official account of this episode. you know, all this time later. i want to say a couple things, one about getting too close to the sun in this white house. absolutely. bannon wasn't on tv so much, but had the book about him, he was on the cover of "time" magazine. >> right. >> we know from the famous scaramucci ten days that at first, trump really liked scaramucci, he liked, you know, all the stuff he was doing, liked when scaramucci was punching people in the news. >> like you. >> then the blow-back came and everyone said this guy's a bit of a joke, making you look bad and trump discarded him. i don't know if giuliani crossed the scaramucci line yet where he's become a complete liability and sort of a joke to the president but we've definitely seen some of those hints. i noted that jonathan swan of axios yesterday reported some white house aides were using the