information. so we turned at the time what we thought was the right thing in extreme circumstances. so there's a lot of people that were not sinless, if you call that a sin. i still happen it should be a tool in our arsenal in extreme circumstances. but she made it clear to the senators she doesn't believe the cia should be in the business of interrogation. if you take her at her word, and i do, because i trust her, hopefully those fears were alied today. >> during the 2016 presidential cam pin, then candidate donald trump said this about the use of torture. listen to this. >> torture works, okay, folks? torture doesn't work. believe me, it works, okay? and waterboarding is your minor form. some people say it's not actually torture. let's assume it is. waterboarding, absolutely fine. we should go much stronger. that's the way i feel.