i never saw one that said gold stars for everyone. this is going to be something that is taken very seriously, and hopefully is what is needed in order to get to the bottom of what happened. >> so jack, i'm not sure if there is anything illegal about what the president is demanding, but it is highly inappropriate. >> to say the least. i mean, the norm of course is that the white house does not interfere in an investigation that the department of justice or the fbi is undertaking. this is the polar opposite of the norm. i mean, here you have a president interfering in the election. it's as though he said i was fuming for months that jeff sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. if he won't take matters into his own hands, i'll do it for. and so he has put himself now in the position of attorney general, and he's obviously going to, you know, exercise control here for the purpose, it's hard to escape this conclusion, of protecting his campaign, his family, and himself. >> you said interfering in the