community and the fbi can continue to do the important and sometimes dangerous work they do to keep this nation safe and secure. >> director clapper, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. >> let's get more perspective now from our panel. cnn political analyst, carl bernstein and julie hirschfield davis, also white house correspondent for the "new york times." with us as well, former fbi supervisory special agent, josh campbell. carl, you heard director clapper saying the ap now reporting that the president is intentionally using the term "spy" to kind of create this nefarious narrative of what he claims is going on. it sounds basically just like a classic misinformation campaign. do you think the president is -- i mean, is this just par for the course? is this just the normal stuff? or is this an escalation? >> oh, it's a continuation that the president has used the term spygate, to obviously invoke the ghosts of watergate here. and what he is doing is creating a fictional narrative to escape