the department of justice briefing after some lawmakers felt this was inappropriate for them to be there. what do you make of all of this? >> well first of all, why do they need to be there to ensure transparency. that doesn't even make sense. this is -- this is supposed to be oversight of the person that emmet flood -- >> by members of congress. >> yes. so the people who are being overseen don't get to go to the meeting where there is oversight? so there is no reason for them to be there and it does sound like they wanted to say. it is just completely inappropriate and i think it is corrupt. i said this this week, it is completely corrupt and this is how thugs behave. >> and giuliani said to politico that the legal defense depended on what they would learn at the meetings, they weren't supposed to learn anything from. >> well i'm sure it does. it doesn't mean they were supposed to be there. yes, i'm sure the president wanted them there. but the president doesn't always get to get what he wants. this is a co-equal branch of