this way more than any of the people that you mentioned and so does the president of the united states. and we're talking about the president of the united states who should, who should, his character should be beyond reproach. he should be setting the example. >> don't normalize him. >> therein lies the problem. therein lies the problem. with all due respect to scott, i agree with you, we should condemn all of it, and there should be consistency. but the problem is in the era of trump, what about-ism has become the king of the hill here. >> no, no, no, i'm not saying what about -- i'm not saying that i'm saying it has to be even. >> i agree. i'm not saying you're doing it here. what's happening now, i've been monitoring what's been going on in some conservative media circles since this broke, they're using the excuse to say, yeah, but what about so and so, so and so to water down the severity of what roseanne has done and also try to disentangle that from what the era of trump