it does create a different conversation. >> some of the things wren by jon on her old blog where obviously hateful and hurtful. joy has apologized publicly and privately and said she has grown and evolved in many years since, and we know this to be true. so even shawn hannity came out today she's taken responsibility for it, and her apology should be accepted. do you agree with that? >> i don't agree that she's taken responsibility for it. i mean he's lied about it, got busted in the lie and then apologized about the lie. but then said -- this is the same woman that said the fbi was involved in some sort of hacking investigation. now she's not saying there was any type of investigation, that she wasn't even hacked. this is an issue if you did say something you disagree with now and people do evolve and people change, then own it and be upfront about it and apologize