back now with joan, van, and mike. you were saying. >> i was saying trump if he wants to go forward with this there's a way to do it. obama did setup a comprehensive process, and he should revive that. look, everybody is redeemable, but there's a lot of consensus people who are in jail for drug offenses 20, 30, 50, 70 years, it just doesn't make any sense. i think there should be a process this becomes systematic. i also want to point out a number of formerly incarcerated women people like topeka sanders and others went to the white house as well as kim kardashian and also made this appeal and that had an impact.