the wall, april? >> excuse me! >> why do you have a problem with it? >> i am a reporter, i could care less about a wall. [ all speak at once ] >> don't put this on me. this is your president. why don't you talk about the people back there? >> secure our borders. >> don't accuse me, i'm a reporter, i'm asking questions. okay, let's get that straight. it's not about politics. but the bottom line is, when you have children crying and you're hearing reports that these kids are being -- you don't know who's changing diapers, there's something wrong. i'm not weighing in one side or the other, i'm saying there's something wrong and this president can fix it. he can easily fix it. >> they're using children as hostages to get their wall. >> that is not true, joan. >> it's absolutely true. >> this president ran on securing the border. >> they're calling it a bargaining chip. [ all speak at once ] >> what does securing the border have to do with separating toddlers from their mothers? why put those in the same sentence? >> why were you not concerned