in terms of past times. then big, overarching views. the president has said that -- >> so a personal connection? >> oh, history. i cannot tell you how important that is. in fact, 1993 when bill clinton ended up with ruth bader ginsburg, it was in part because the chemistry felt right between the president and then-judge ginsburg and also just earlier in that selection cycle, he had interviewed stephen broeyer, wh had just had a bicycle accident, wasn't feeling well, and he didn't go with him. he ended up going with him in 1994. but chemistry is what got neil gorsuch the job. and it could get this new person the job. >> and the president is not a constitutional law scholar. he said, i want someone with an impressive resume. he's looking for someone who's strong and not weak, someone who's going to respect the intent of the framers of the constitution. those are buzzword-type phrases,