box of the federalist society, but do you concede that donald trump picked the establishist pick not someone as far right out of the final four? >> yes, he is not as far right as amy coney barrett, but i don't think he has any -- that he is more centrist than kethledge or hardiman. i don't think he is some sort -- i mean, the idea that he is closer to kennedy than to clearance thomas is completely wrong. >> but i think it's really important that we point out that any republican would have made this selection. it's a total red hairing that people talk aboutt being outsourced to the federalist society and president trump had this list during the campaign. that's all fine. i mean, any republican would have worked off of this template of judges. there has been a movement for decades to elevate conservatives to be in this position. and it's obviously the same case on the democratic side.