meeting in 2016, has there been a crime committed? >> it's an interesting question. you would think is president having, it's true if he knew he's publicly lied about it on previous occasions. however, we now have information from michael cohen his personal lawyer who says the president did, in fact, know about the trump tower meeting. now i think that puts the president in a difficult meeting. he was lying about it. it puts his son don, jr. in a worse decision. he testified before congress that the president knew nothing about the meeting before it took place. if that is true, it is possible that don junior has committed the crime of perjury by lying before a congressional committee under oath. so don junior has the big problem here that was created by the president, really. >> when you talk about cohen the thing is, he has no corroborating evidence of this,