work. it backfires. the moment i'm on the platform, whatever they were hoping to accomplish with the intended audience backfires because they don't have credibility in that market in the first place with those people. for me the answer is simple. i went through every detail. why would i go? what could i possibly gain? which is nothing. my wife -- >> would you do it again? >> would i go back? if there were different circumstances, if i had assurances that we were going to meet about the intended conversation, yeah, i would go back. not because i agree. because this is what's important. alignment or even speaking does not mean agreement. dialogue does not mean agreement. sitting at the table doesn't mean agreement. that's important. i don't agree with many of the policies but it doesn't stop me from having conversation. >> okay. i know we've gone on long. sorry, producers. this is what you put on your instagram page. you said lord, do you want me in that room? my first mind was no. the pain of so many is too real.