that and you know, the opportunity to have comprehensive immigration reform has been on the table before there is bipartisan support for it. it needs to come back. we need to be serious about it. and the only reason that it doesn't happen today is because i believe our president wants to keep it as an open wound so he can rally his base or the extreme of his base around it for political reasons. >> you call for the abolishment of the policies dictating i.c.e., that's not the same thing as calling for the abolishment of i.c.e., should i interpret that to say we need to change immigration policies? >> we need somebody to do the job of i.c.e. whether we keep it as in the name of i.c.e. or give that assignment to some other agency with a different name is not as important to me. we need better policies. i think the name of the agency is less important than getting the policies right and what we have today are the wrong policies and wrong practices. >> let me ask you two and three