ever silt down with mueller to talk about anything. for exactly that reason. i just don't see that happening. i think this is a lot of theater and posturing right now so that later on, somebody can point fingers. this is just kind of a theatrical setup for that. >> does stalling help the president you think? is this all about the electoral chances in the midterms and minimizing damage? >> that's a great question, don, and i honestly don't know. i think whatever comes out of the mueller investigation is simply going to harden the positions that people already have. whatever comes out. it's not going to change anybody's mind in the rabid base, certainly, and those who are not big fans of the president, it will certainly, i would guess, reinforce their reservations about him. so i -- what impact that would have on the midterms is, for me, very difficult to say. >> i got to ask you something, director. you can answer it if you want. it's a bit personal so i understand if you won't. you and i are both in the same