i've been eligible for access to classified information since september, 1963, so going on 55 years. there are intervals there where i didn't have access. that's the difference here. we left the government in january of '17 still eligible, but we don't have access. so, for me it doesn't have direct impact. it could on others. depending on how this is applied. >> that's the thing, the president is not just threatening people who are out of government, but people who are still working in government. i mean, bruce ohr is currently at the department of justice. it's actually a part of his job. >> i mean, i think actually the bruce ohr piece is something that we should be focusing on. in my view, one should be raising the question of whether or not that's having a chilling action on other employees of the department of justice who are