has pled guilty to an unlawful campaign contribution in terms of paying these two women. why would he pay that without talking to donald trump? it is never made any sense that michael cohen did this on his own. >> well, first of all -- >> where did he get the money. second of all, who benefitted? >> that argument has never made sense. it's been made by all the surrogates who came forward after stormy daniels spoke. david schwartz was on the program, an attorney for michael cohen in another matter, and other friends of michael cohen, all of whom said the president didn't know anything about this. he did this out of the goodness of his heart because that's the kind of guy he is. he took out a home equity loan, didn't seek repayment. none of that is true. either they were lied to or they were on television lying as well. >> i'm not saying it's not a good case against the president based on the fact michael cohen is willing to say it under oath. common sense, as jeff points out, the benefit of this is for the president. doesn't make sense for a lawyer in good standing to have done
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