crisis and acknowledge the gravity of what happened. what they are waiting for is concrete action that is what precisely what the pope will do. specifically on the accountab accountability of the crime and cover-up, holding bishops and other senior officials responsible when they are aware of abuse charges and fail to act. to date, pope francis has not offered new details on that front. and therefore, i would say that, host people i have spoken to here would give the pope a gray of -- the pope a grade of incomplete. >> that brings up the question, is the church trying to sptop abuse? do they see it as something that they need to stop. or do they just intend to apologize for past scandals? >> look, in all fairness, the catholic church has taken dramatic steps forward. they have adopted aggressive