into trouble. i think mike pence imagines this will happen for him. if not soon, later. >> so, when you watch mike pence, when you watch the vice president standing behind the president at events and think -- you can't help but think of the ways they would split, right? you have pointed out that mike pence would not want to separate kids from parents on the border. >> i don't think so. >> the alleged child molester roy moore in alabama and the president supported him. we don't think that mike pence would and yet he stands almost -- i don't know if stoic is the word. expressionless. stands by the president. you don't know what he is thinking. >> we did know what he was thinking at the cabinet meeting last december when everyone went around the table and praised the president. mike pence spoke for three minutes and a praise for him every 14 seconds and eventually