well, you know, that's pretty bad, but it's not illegal. >> but it's something that we've seen -- well, it depends on the age, on the consent, on the dynamic. there's a lot there that you would think you guys would hold yourselves to the highest level possible given that you're not making widgets. this is the catholic church. >> right. >> then the a.g. comes out with his report in pennsylvania. we see echo investigations going on in illinois and elsewhere. he says, i believe the pope knew. now, vigano writes his letter, former vatican insider. >> correct. >> we don't know if he's been co-opted by anti-pope groups or whatever. we don't know yet. that story is not told. but do you believe there's a chance that pope francis, who people hold faith in him as a reformer, knew about mccarrick, knew about some of these things, and didn't drop the hammer on them? >> there's always a chance. there's always a chance. in this case, i don't know what,