desk and he'd come over and sit and some senators said why are you sitting with mccain? i said he's my friend. "well, it doesn't look good." i mean, my god. >> he was always open to doing something people didn't expect him to do like support campaign finance reform. and mccain i think both for noble motives and out of practical experience was always willing to break the mold he was in if it was clearly the right thing to do. and that's an invaluable commodity. >> campaign finance reform made him very unpopular in the conservative movement. but i really don't think he cared. he was driven by a sense that something dishonorable was going on. he was really a missile that aimed itself at anything dishonorable and wherever he saw a stain, he was driven to go