>> it is kind of hard to figure out what the criminal hook would be here as "new york times" accurately put, it is really a first amendment issue. and the president is trying to treat the justice department and fbi as his private fixers, and obviously they're not, that was michael cohen's job, and -- >> he nominated jeff sessions, there's some ownership he feels like it is his, sessions is his in which to order around, but you're saying that's not how department of justice works, nor the attorney general. it is serving the american people. >> exactly. just to follow normal law enforcement protocols, there has to be some credible predicate to open the investigation, some allegation a crime has occurred. the most he can stretch it to here, the president is kind of worried somebody that doesn't like him, who wants to talk to the press may also leak other things like national security