been saying. we certainly know that the president's mood cannot be bright on this. he has always thought that paul manafort, even though he's distanced himself from him, saying, oh, he only worked for me for a brief period of time, they always thought that paul manafort would hold firm. now, when you add this to the list of others who have pleaded guilty and are cooperating with authorities, certainly, it's not something the president was hoping for or expecting, so we'll see if we do hear from the president directly on this. you'll remember, after the sentencing of george papadopoulos just a week or so ago, the president immediately was mocking the 14-day jail sentence, really within minutes of that being announced. he's quiet so far. of course, not saying much at all today, as he and other members of his administration are overseeing hurricane coverage. but this is something that certainly i expect would shake him, kate. >> can i just add one thing about this notion of what is the cooperation? >> yeah. >> what's unclear is what