called other than dr. ford and judge kavanaugh. >> true. >> this would have to go through an extensive process. and to what end? there's other individuals that are more qualified than this judge to sit on the supreme court and his nomination should be pulled. >> well, look, i take your point on that. i do think as a middle ground, they could have given it to the fbi and taken it away from the senators. at least give the senators a basis of information for what their questions will be coming from. otherwise, they're just really going to be shooting in the dark here. and the fbi could have done that. it doesn't seem that they'll be allowed to. the white house could ask them to do it. there hasn't been any move there. we'll see. while i have you, a lot of this is about the politics of perception and what people want to be true. you were a combatant of that recently, not only with the president of the united states, but on fox news. i want to play a clip of this for people, if they didn't see it. >> why dodge the question? look, you traveled here policy advisers who have worked on other campaigns to the show