kavanaugh said. but also, keep in mind. what you see is a position, donald trump doesn't drink. he really truly is probably the only thing he can tell truthfully without even glimpsing or blanching at all. he hasn't ever had any alcohol. >> because his brother fred was an alcoholic. >> was an alcoholic and died tragically. and he decided from that point moving forward, he would never have any drugs or alcohol and he told his children that religiously throughout the course of his life. and if you have never had any alcohol, the difference between one beer or a couple of beers or blacking out may not be that nuanced. it might just be black and white. and so you can imagine from president trump -- i mean, trump's mixing the message, probably based on his own lack of understanding about how alcohol affects the body. >> are you accusing our president of lacking nuance? >> i know you feel strongly you agree with mitch mcconnell, democrats are moving the goalpost. what do you make of this? because that is not how kavanaugh characterized his drinking. >> right. he's carelessly stating, as he carelessly states many things.