people that just aren't true. so shouldn't a person have a right to clear their name too? i think that's where i want to have that balance. >> so let's have a couple questions. it's a really impossible position. very difficult position. is he damned if he did, damned if he didn't? >> well, if you'd asked me, if you had told me the facts of this situation, asked me a year ago what joe manchin would do, i would say he was going to vote yes. so i just think constitutionally that's where he is now where he was last year and where he's as kind of always been. he's probably the most conservative democrat in the senate from a very conservative state that trump won by 42 points. but listen, i don't question his motive. i don't question -- i like to believe that most of these people and naive and the cynics would howl me out of the room, but i thought susan collins' speech was very good. i thought it was a very credible speech. so i'd like to think that these