there is this enigma factor for what she is like in person. >> you are right about that and you mentioned to me earlier, fund-raisers. people would pay maybe it hear what she has to say. >> i think that's right. >> laura bush did that, too. >> former first ladies who were first ladies at the time, they had higher approval ratings than their husbands, they were out there on the trail. >> agreed. >> what's the problem now? >> agreed. it's not are inially a problem, but a choice she is making not to do this. she values her time at home being a mother. melania trump from all my reporting, she makes her own decisions. this is not an east wing or west wing thing. she never has been thrilled about it. i do think the republican national convention where she had that speech gaffe is a big factor. >> that are wasn't a gaffe. i love you dearly, but people remember that speech.