mueller fired, he would have fired him already. >> yeah, but, look, the president is a little more shrewd than people give him credit for. he does some things out in the open to make it seem like he's got nothing to hide. but they also made the evidence of criminal conductor abuse of power and the house may consider that at some point. so, you know, just because the president has not fired someone yet doesn't mean he won't do it in the future. and doesn't mean he doesn't want to minimize the damage to him and the political backlash to him. look, he was very smart in some ways, depending on your perspective, on how he dealt with jeff sessions. he could have said, look, you know, if i want to fire jeff sessions, i could have done it. but he waited. what, he waited until hours after the midterm elections so he wouldn't screw up his political chances in various races around the country. so i imagine some similar kind of, you know -- strategizing is going on in his head with respect to mueller, as well. it is very clear he wants mueller to close up shop and stop. and from his perspective, the question is always, what's the best way to do it with the least amount of fallout? >> all right. preet bharara, a man who knows