thing, meaning, if you're asked for a bribe, have you to say no, and you should report it, if you offer a bribe, you're in violation of the law. it's pretty tough, pretty strict. even if -- they keep saying the trump organization, my theory on this is, now you have cohen. i think that's probably why the trump organization is rattled, is that he probably would have some -- at least insight into that, and then if you take their treasurer and accountant who's already cooperating, this could spell trouble, i think for them if they offered this as part of a deal, if the deal didn't go through. if you offered something of value to get that deal go through you are in violation of the foreign corrupt practices act. that's a felony. that's a serious charge. someone in that organization is going to have to be accountable for that. >> let's take that point. we're talking about the cfo of the trump organization, who was with donald trump so long he started working with donald trump's father. and michael cohen, he was up to