>> look, as an investigator, one of the things you learn is that people behave in patterns. in other words, you see a certain way they are behaving over and over again, it is highly unlikely they will stop doing that in another context. we know the southern district has evidence that the president directed michael cohen to make these payments. he was in the weeds on that. we know that from the special counsel filing that michael cohen was talking to donald trump during the moscow tower deal. he was in on that. he says his lies to congress were deliberate and premeditated. i find it incredibly hard to believe he would prepare a written statement in front of congress without trump being in on that. >> the fact that the trump organization -- >> you have a national security adviser, a foreign policy adviser all having contacts with russia, and the president doesn't know anything about it? it doesn't fit in with what we know to be true about him in a lot of other contexts. i think at some point we start