then personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen and the -- and the head of american media, the publisher of the "national enquirer," david pecker, were -- they were all together in a room where they were discussing ways to kill any negative stories that might emerge about trump's affairs with various women. how much of had a nightmare could this potentially be? >> one of his lines of acab against cohen was he was a rogue lawyer, didn't do anything and was essentially light. now you have the american media and mr. pecker apparently confirming many of the things that cohen has stated, in fact pleaded, to of making illegal payments, et cetera, so the corroboration of cohen by american media and others lends further credence and weight to his testimony. >> david pecker was once a very close friend of donald trump's. he's corporating and has