department of homeland security, some elements of law enforcement, health care, et cetera. i mean, these are not inconsequential parts of the government. is that a price worth paying for the american people? >> absolutely not. look, this is utterly reckless. we all know how this is going to play out. the house just sent a bill over to the senate. the votes aren't there in the senate. the senate will trip out that $5 billion. they'll send it back to the house. if the house doesn't pass it, this is going to shut down. there's absolutely no reason to do this. the president had a deal on border security, and daca, the dreamers. he walked away from it. the president, like you said the other day, he's going to own this. these members of congress have a responsibility to govern.