you would pay for that? >> there's fencing -- well, there's fencing now at the border. >> yes. >> there's always been fencing at the border. so, some kind of fencing is always part of the equation. the question is whether it's part of a larger common sense approach that is putting border security first. >> but it's like we make jokes about this. are you -- are you -- i mean, i understand there is a lot down there, more than 700 miles of fence and wall and whatever down there, but it sounds like what you're saying is that if i call a wall a fence, you might vote for some. >> well, you have to see what you're talking about here. does it contribute in a smart way to our security? certain physical barriers can make sense along the border, and in a lot of places, you already have that. but don't get stuck on this idea that you need $5.6 billion for the president's wall. that doesn't make any sense. now, he's, i guess, detailed some of thinhis staff to sit do and maybe begin a constructive